RotaHavik

Who holds the n/a Quarter mile time here in nz for rotary engine.
The fastest in nz.

Probly FOURRE

Yep FOURRE 26bpp is the fastest now im probably wrong about the rest but anyway I think then that green ROTAMAX RX3 coupe 13bpp with a high 11sec pass, then 1MADPP 13bpp the black/red advan tyres RX2 sedan with a low 12sec pass and then I think the mainfreight blue and white Rx7 S3 rally car MFR13bpp with a mid to high 12sec pass? Correct me if im wrong!

I have started building a 323 2dr and will be running a 13b pp.

1 [fourre] bryce mcewyn, s6 rx7 26bpp......9.9
2 [agro 3] jason van dyke, rx3 13bpp .......11.7
3 [ r100 ] chris ??? , orange r100 13b bridgeport .... 12.1

im sure the mazdab8 4 door hatch 13bpp injected has done a 11.8?

12.8

ther was that orange hatch on trademe 12aPP that greenbrothers built, that did a decent time

think that had a best et of 12.8 or 9

yep and if I dont catch dykey anbd Chris this season I'll go insane!

but if chris gets the new package done he'll be unstoppable

I will post progress pic of my build. I will be building
a n/a pp before i build the pp turbo set up for same car.
I have done the pp and e shaft mods. Need to find some hi comp 13b rotors. Old skool rotors.

my old 2ob323 ran 11.2, thinkn off runing th sp20 n/a 4 a couple of drag events this season cuming, as nzdra has turnd down my car to run in pro import this year?????????

Just run in Super Sedan.

sell the 4 rotor bits (better yet, put them in a street car :) )and build a 3 rotor, its all you need :)
no point spending money on wank factor that causes more harm than good and is now banned when you can simply build a 3 rotor when thats all you need to run at the top (and has to be cheaper). A 4 rotor NA in your chassis etc with no bench mark to compare to i think (as cool as it is) is a waste of your effort as you have nothing to judge your times against here or overseas.

So Bryces car doesnt set any benchmark??

Why won't they let you run?.

Im guessing because it isnt a "production" engine?

noiw it is all clear, taking a guess BUCLUP your name must be steve? I got the water pump off you ages ago? Gareth got back today and told a mate how you did the polished engine in the pic pages you posted a while ago?

Anyway good luck with the PP

Juz wait till this season then u wil c a good time frm the SP20, Last season we had motor problems at every run now we hav solved dat problem and we staying with da twin turbo setup but the turbos r goin bigger !We were running 140m/h at half track and 142m/h at full track and stil managed a 8.76 so once we gt a gd tune into da motor those 7's will b looking gd

/\ /\ /\ /\ /\ /\ and who the fuck are you??/\ /\ /\ /\ /\

Blair... Thats Stevie

stevie bum face, god only knows><

no it doesnt, in case you havnt noticed its a full production chassis, not a tube chassis! I may not be a big boy like the rest of you racing my own car yet but I dont walk around with my eyes closed either.




but that can be done with a 13b, and you would get real recognition for it

Yea doing 9s in a N/A car with no tubing and with standard factory suspension is fuck all of anything aye mr expert team player?? Hell no dick head!!!!! Whats wrong with you?? Get some respect you moron thats one fucking meen car!! and yes exactly your defanatly NOT a big boy at all in any small way! your just a little boynut!! and your fucking nothing actuly!! and no need to lie as you are walking around with your eys closed because you arint seeing the truth and the light you need to grow up and wake up there little champ!!
Oh and ZLAKLR ohh hell no!! a GTR will smoke all you shiter purple, big homo flared out and gold wheeld shit box cars!

There is no need for you to be like you are! so there you have it you just got told like the boynuts that you are!!

[/quote]
but that can be done with a 13b, and you would get real recognition for it[/quote] YEAH BUT NO 1 IN NZ HAS STEPED UP TO AND RUN A 7 YET IN A 13B OR 20B OR QUAD ROTOR! BUT WEN WE ARE IN DA 7'S WE WIL GET REAL RECOGNITION 4 IT AS BEIN DA ONLY ROTOR IN NZ IN DA 7'S/ Y B LYK DA REST OF THM AND RUN A 13B OR 20B WE LYK DA TRY DIFFERENT THINGS 2 DA REST

There WILL be rotors in the 7s this season - I can think of 4 - possibly 5.

Darryl, it is a benchmark - 4 rotor NA benchmark. Yes I would expect a tube car to beat it - but none the less - it is a standard that has been set for that combo.

but that can be done with a 13b, and you would get real recognition for it[/quote] YEAH BUT NO 1 IN NZ HAS STEPED UP TO AND RUN A 7 YET IN A 13B OR 20B OR QUAD ROTOR! BUT WEN WE ARE IN DA 7'S WE WIL GET REAL RECOGNITION 4 IT AS BEIN DA ONLY ROTOR IN NZ IN DA 7'S/ Y B LYK DA REST OF THM AND RUN A 13B OR 20B WE LYK DA TRY DIFFERENT THINGS 2 DA REST[/quote]

god do you realy associate in the same circles as me......

why not do a 7 in a 20b it can be done easy look at aussie, being different gets you outlawed from the rest of pro import, then who you going to race..........off ya go to all the v8 meetings.. or be a nigel no mates and race by yourself at the rotor drags or exhibition passes at nationals, waste of time/money and everyones effort,
why not try to get recognition in something that anyone else can use not a motor that is hard to get hold of

haha, been waiting 4 som1 to tell him how it is.

That sux about the rules!!!! You guys have put out some wicked times and still havnt had a full on good season yet.

Love your guys attitude, never say die and always doing something different from the rest

Go the 26b!!!!! Ive been watching some footage, fuk that car is impressive when it hooks up and it still dosnt look like you guys have uncovered anywhere near its full potential, looks like you guys have a bit in reserve.

Good luck for 06/07 what ever you choose to do

geees, misunderstood and shot in the head again
hold on there EVL30R, I was not bagging out Bryces car at all,as that certainly wouldnt be called for!

what I was saying is, in comparison with the SP20, it hasnt set a bench mark. Bryce has set the bench mark for stock chassis NA 4 rotor, and its a bloody good one. It is a target for Lawtons (if they go NA) to aim for, but not a benchmark for the lawton car. What I was saying is and quite frankly your reply shows the mentality as to why you couldnt work it out, is that for all the work the Lawton boys are doing, they dont have anything to compare to as there are no other TUBE chassis cars (this being the basis for my comparison) running a 4 rotor in NA (remember this is in reply to the idea they run NA, not turbo!). And this goes for steve and Paul too, anything they achieve will be good, BUT it has nothing to compare to to judge the acheivement against. You wouldnt be able to compare it to Jesus Padila (for NA results), Bryce or anyone from PR or OZ that I cant think of. For the effort and time involved, I would think it would be more worth racing where you are allowd to as Blair stated (though not sure if he was being sarcastic?? lol)
I cant believe you guys think I am as arogant as you have taken my post to be, I am honest in my thought, but I am not arogant
At the end of the day you cannot compare a tube chassis and a street chassis (if you do and your tube cars performance is only comparable to a full street chassis with the same set up you are doing something wrong). You can line the times against each other and say "hey cool that tube car is faster than the street car" but they are not on equal terms so it would be expected.
I consider comparing the 2 rotor turbo against a 3 rotor turbo when both are in the same style chassis to be ok because based on the engine size there are weight rules to help equalise the differences. AND there are these set ups everywhere.

Now to save me being bashed again, look at it this way. Its like Mark Skaif showing up to a round of the V8 Supercars in a monaro,an 800HP 427 under the bonnet and only weighing 1000kg and the rest of the car supercar spec that has cost twice as much to build as his regular car and he doesnt get points for the round. Then if he beats everyone else, it wouldnt realy be fair to say he is the better driver would it, or if he laps Bathurst in record time, you couldnt call it a bench mark for v8 supercars, and it wouldnt be worth the cost if he doesnt get points for it would it?? you get it???
I am all for doing things differently (all the slagging about my cars, and its going to happen with the drag car prove I dont care so will keep doing things differently) but when it comes to this sort of things, if you are going to race, you may as well do itithin the rules (with the front going on my drag car I am being a hypocrite there I guess but a few others are breaking the same rule and are still alowd to race so its not the same lol)

I hope this clears a thing or two up for those so offended by my comments, it wasnt meant to be taken the way you have taken it.

i understood it the first time, but i guess it lays it out for the people that flare up at the slightest disagreement,
construtive critisim should be welcomed

and yer im serious, ive worked my ass of on the sp20 but for what, to be outlawed, i think it should be 20b but i dont pour the money into it, so i just do what im asked, although i think a new class for imports or rotary should be introduced, to accomodate the sp20 and fourre and people wanting 20btt with nitrous,

Why dont they make an "open" class where anything goes, you can still run the pro imports and open class together untill the class gets bigger but compete for seperate points and records??

Is it because its not a factory block?? what about 7heaven then?
they run a 20b short block are they out to??? fuck just when the pro class rotaz start cranking they go fuck it up

What about some of the top v8 doorslammers, these cars
run 500,600 cubic inch aftermarket blocks?
Are these production engines?

i agree its all bullshit. and there big fukoff superchargers dont think theyd b factory items. i think the worst of the lot is the railcars. i mean WTF theres not one bit on those cars dat is factory is dea

yer i think that is a bit of a grey area at the moment, although they havent changed the cubic capacity of the engine, but yer its not factory production,
what can ya do with a rotor to increase capacity, only thing to do is add rotors, even though the other pro imports i dont think have a limit on how much they increase capacity, either by changing bore and stroke size

it comes down to the nzdra not understanding rotarys and trying to do there best to get rid of them but rotar summerdrags is one of the biggest days at meremere

rx7 heaven should be allowed to run as mazda made a produuction 3 rotor, they did not make a production 4 rotor so it should be outlawed!!

the only difference between a mazda 3 rotor and a short crank engine is the crank and centre plate. i would be pissed off if i couldnt run an aftermarket crank and modded ceentre plate on a 13b.

its not so much about being a non standard engine, its more about having a standard engine configoration i.e. 2 rotor or 3 rotor.

personally i think fourre should be outlawed as well, i think the only reason they let him run is because hed been running it before the rule had been made so nzdra have made a temporary exemption. the rules were set before the lawton team ran theirs.

you cant expect nzdra to change the rules every time someone comes up with a new idea.

my advice.... by a rule book and build a car to suit whichever class best suits the type of car you want to race.

an outlaw class where anything goes is only good for personal achievments, not for fair close racing. everyone seems to forget that drag racing is about getting to the end first not trying to beat your own pb and losing the race.

cheers
cory.

I think engines like RX Heavans are ok based on the fact that there is simply a lack of supply of 20bs now, and the short crank I believe have the ability to be more reliable due to less crank flex etc and in doing so do allow for the ability to reliably make a little more power without actualy changing the capacity of the engine. In reality I would think the short crank set up would be for me more about reliability than extra power.
I think the RB and 2JZ guys do have an advantage of being able to increase capacity without breaking any rules and when you can take a 2JZ out to 3.4L with a plethoria of non factory parts (only the block and head in this instance would be factory made) but we are stuck with all factory parts. More the reason to show the piston guys up buy playing within the rules I guess so they cant complain :) .



I think thats because their rules dont suggest they have to be. Unfortunately some bright spark within the import scene helped came up with the rules for us (like the non use of mixed breed cars) for what they believed to be for the best of the sport when realy its not what 90% of us want.

UZNGAS, I think an open class would be awesome, run it as an index set up to make racing close, but still allow some very quick cars to race with outlawed set ups

Blair your point about working your ass off is exactly why I think you should just build to the rules now. Although you would no doubt get some self satisfaction for your results, and so would the rest of us, you still dont get the full credit you would deserve. But as you say you arent paying the bills so its not your call, maybe somehting Stu should consider considering the help the rest of you put in?? I t would be great to know one more car (and a rotary at that) was in the pro import ranks to stay

Now i get wot u tryin ta say bout da quad!doin al dat wrk u done which is a fucken lot! juz ta run against manu's m8's!but as u say we cant do nothin as its da bosses call bout da car! OH yeah have u seen my turbo?

Learn to fuckin write

I say go sideport 20b,single turbo and do some racing

hahaha, yeah right.....that d be too easy.

You would think so Jeremy,but even that doesnt work in NZ,if someone did go sideport it would have to be J ported 20b with a undersized turbo hanging off it It all seems a bit hard to just do what the best in the world are doing its not rocket science

Its not a J Port!!

Darryl, sorry - I didnt realise you were talking about a benchmark for the Sp20 - I took it as there is no benchmark for the 4 rotor NA. Even in a tube car ( I could be wrong) but I think it would take a bit to catch up to Bryces time..

surely what the lawton boys are doing is good for rotary drag racing though?

it seems overseas (aussie and the states) that you can only go
so fast before you hit a brick wall with a 13B or 20B engine,
the only way to go faster (apart from gear ratios, aerodynamics etc)
is to increase the capacity of the engine? no matter what, a 13B or 20Bhas its limits, you can only fit so much fuel and air into it.

not saying that its fair for them to race and compete against 13B or
20B cars, but surely they can fit in somewhere?

sure thats a fair comment but no one in nz has go close to the limit of a 13b hell aussie has a faster 12a untubbed than our fastest untubbed car

yeh fair call, but still, whats the point in wasting time fully
developing a 13B when you know what the limits are, sure
no1 in NZ has got there, but times wont differ that much between
two countrys.

why not jump ahead, add a extra rotor or two and show
the world what some kiwi engineuity can do

just a thought, doesnt reallly affect me either way, im
just a spectator

i just read my rule book and you can race a 4 rota in top street if you want. but not pro import.

ZLAKLR yes sorry I misread/didint understand your reply, now I dont come on here every day but I seem to see the same few people that just constantly dis/putdown/hassle/give people shit and I just seem to see you in that group but I may be wrong. And if I am sorry again!
Fuck the rules (with in reason) the more rules weather it be on road or on track = less cars = does not help our import/rotary/racing scene. For christ sake people stop comparing us to the Ozys there is no comparison in any way for starters there economy is bigger because of more people in there country and that = more $ to throw around which should = faster times (most of the time) and look at what rules and regulations do to there scene I meen look at them they do up hyundais/peugeots/suzukis if you have been to aus you never see any good cars crusing and all there cars are quiet, high as fuck and ugly every one of there old skool rotas are on dragwheels or simmons with 13b turbos and thats it. Woops might have gone a little off track there but you get what I meen with the rules! Let the quad rotas race and let people put the motors in what they want I say!

the wording says production engine....a short shaft isnt a mazda production engine. but i fully agree it should be able to be used in place of standard 20b. you cant get a new shaft from mazda for them, which theroretically makes the 20b obsolete, apart from the aftermarket copies. which you could use,


this is true,but the shaft had been ordered, and a whole lot of work had been done before the rules were in place.
i dont think stu realy cares if he doesnt compete for points or prize money, he just wants to run his four rotor infront of some people that appriciate rotarys, the 4 rotor is what he likes, i dont even think he cares if he is in pro import, but that class gives him the best oppertunity to do it


and i also think the rules should be kept, although like i said before it would be nice to include 4 rotor, but that wont happen