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13b PP 300HP?? 48IDA

PostMon Mar 15, 2010 8:55 pm

what configuration of parts are the capable parts to pull 300 od horse power out of a 13b pp???

my mota getting built has r5 plates
rx5 housings
6port high comp rotors
carbon tips
lightned/balanced
s5 oil pump
12 pound flyweel
and im using a 48m ida
i will fork out decent coin on exhaust to get max power.
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Re: 13b PP 300HP?? 48IDA

PostMon Mar 15, 2010 9:05 pm

get the greens to build it
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Re: 13b PP 300HP?? 48IDA

PostMon Mar 15, 2010 9:25 pm

what can they do that others cant tho?? the might push injection on me. i wana stay dirty happy carb
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Re: 13b PP 300HP?? 48IDA

PostMon Mar 15, 2010 10:18 pm

kp04 wrote:what configuration of parts are the capable parts to pull 300 od horse power out of a 13b pp???

my mota getting built has r5 plates
rx5 housings
6port high comp rotors
carbon tips
lightned/balanced
s5 oil pump
12 pound flyweel
and im using a 48m ida
i will fork out decent coin on exhaust to get max power.
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what a waste of R5 plates :icon_confused:

s5 oil pump wont be compatible with old school plates

if you want to get 300hp out of a NA 13b pp your going to have to try and squeeze every little bit of available power from the entire set up,

-best pp configuration(d port/port timing/size of sleeves 48-51mm)
-carb mods, bored 51mm,46mm chokes, 3mm needle & seat and all jetted to suit
-will need a good tuned length/port matched intake and exhaust system
-ignition system/timing (multiple spark discharge)
-fuel system(3/8 lines, carter/Malory pump, malpassi reg etc)

and the list goes on. all of the above will get you that little bit closer to the hp you want,

hope you got lots of money :icon_cheesygrin:

but definitely someone that can tune the set up to achieve the optimun horse power you desire.

GOOD LUCK BRO
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Re: 13b PP 300HP?? 48IDA

PostTue Mar 16, 2010 6:32 am

sweetaz seems like such a drama i wont cheap out on the main bits if i can help it
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Re: 13b PP 300HP?? 48IDA

PostTue Mar 16, 2010 7:12 am

kp04 wrote:sweetaz seems like such a drama i wont cheap out on the main bits if i can help it


everything's a drama when u want 300hp ATW... its not exactly a small ask from an NA motor... well, a RELIABLE 300hp.

the best thing (or one of the best things ) that you could do, is go injection. that will be the easiest form of extracting the power if the motor is built/ported properly.

can i ask why u want a PP anyway? the money that its going to set you back, theres plenty of other options around that will get u the 300 easier for the same money and have way more potential.. then theres the niose factor ( which lets face it, is now an issue )...
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Re: 13b PP 300HP?? 48IDA

PostTue Mar 16, 2010 5:44 pm

i was realy aiming for carburation and be able to acheive the 300 just out of that, something basic and side of road fix that i want, i will be racing it aswell and want to be able to afford the bits n peices. as much as id like a big turbo i could just see myself pooring more and more money on power.
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Re: 13b PP 300HP?? 48IDA

PostTue Mar 23, 2010 11:03 am

Get a 62mm terminator 2 carb! I'm looking at doing this at some stage for a big hp PP build down the track.

http://www.geersengineering.com/Carb_Parts.htm

1100 US so not a bad price I guess. People are claiming BIG numbers (350hp+) using these with relatively simple setups (no isotropic finishing, billet rotors and all that shit).
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Re: 13b PP 300HP?? 48IDA

PostWed May 12, 2010 9:58 pm

just go to the greens dude. they have the fastest n/a 13b pp in nz and aussie what does tell you? they wont push injection on you either most of there engines run webbers.
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Re: 13b PP 300HP?? 48IDA

PostMon May 24, 2010 6:56 pm

Jimbo II wrote:Get a 62mm terminator 2 carb! I'm looking at doing this at some stage for a big hp PP build down the track.

http://www.geersengineering.com/Carb_Parts.htm

1100 US so not a bad price I guess. People are claiming BIG numbers (350hp+) using these with relatively simple setups (no isotropic finishing, billet rotors and all that shit).



any one tryed these carbs?on pps etc?

be interesting to hear from any one that has
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Re: 13b PP 300HP?? 48IDA

PostWed May 26, 2010 3:44 pm

you can make that sort of power with a 48ida on a pp no worries, the greens did for me.....and its reliable as
when i 1st had my pp built by greens we put 48 on made 222kw at the wheels, after a season we turned it into 51 and made 225kw (with different diff ratio), but i could can definatly feel it when i was driving , pulled way harded from 8 onwards, was like another powerband with the 51.......you can make that kinda powr with 48, just have to get the right people to do it :icon_twisted:

13b turbo block
new housings
2mm racing beat carbons
ports are under 45mm
s4 6port rotas lightened
51mm ida

struggled to get any more out of last time on dyno, thinking port a the restricting factor now, need bigger :icon_lol:
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Re: 13b PP 300HP?? 48IDA

PostWed May 26, 2010 5:53 pm

yeah well thats a good point, i always hear anything under 45mm is going to be the best for power and reliability, as per the factory 44mm mazda bought out, but im open to all configurations, its never going to be the best motor if its not done by the best.

dirty carbys r the way to go tho i reckon....... injections cheating for n/a haha
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Re: 13b PP 300HP?? 48IDA

PostSat Jun 05, 2010 3:28 pm

Fukn amen to that!

Btw emailed that dude (Shawn) from geers engineering and he said it'd cost 1300US for one of his complete carb kits (carb, velocity stacks etc) delivered to NZ.
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Re: 13b PP 300HP?? 48IDA

PostSun Jun 06, 2010 10:50 am

if u want a good engine in this country go dwn 2 ppre its a bit far away but warrens worth it hes know all around the world for building crazy engines an hes not that much more exspensive than most the other shops
he just got sum good numbers out of our prety basic set up baty race car an i just got a brand new s5 block 13b bridgy rx8 rotas an all da rest with ida fully polishd an paintd for a good price with 12month warenty and dyno tune
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Re: 13b PP 300HP?? 48IDA

PostSun Jun 06, 2010 1:57 pm

what could he do that the likes of green brothers cant, ive been told they run rings around other engine builders pp motas.... im keen for all options
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Re: 13b PP 300HP?? 48IDA

PostSun Jun 06, 2010 3:47 pm

if you want a fast pp, go to the greens, i dont know of any other pp's in nz running 11.2's all day long like theres do :icon_cool:

and what uve been told is correct!
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Re: 13b PP 300HP?? 48IDA

PostSun Jun 06, 2010 6:02 pm

not saying greens cant build a good engine they hav built a few of my m8s pps but warren is a world renound engine builder used to work for mazda speed duz alot of work with us in the pro 7s and as you know mad mikes drift cars an all his pps hes had in his cars over the years wen warren workd for kiwi re
he offers alot of after sale servise and 12month warentys on his engine
in my opinion hes probly 1 of if not the best engine builders we hav in nz
but thats just my opinion
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Re: 13b PP 300HP?? 48IDA

PostMon Jun 07, 2010 9:14 pm

ill take ur word and ill look into them a bit further, im jst anal on price aye especially commercial rotary mechanics cause id rather give the job to the like of glen munroe (r.i.p) but i cant now so im stumped on a new good engine builder
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Re: 13b PP 300HP?? 48IDA

PostThu Jul 08, 2010 11:18 pm

avenue autoport :icon_smile: :icon_smile:

got my engine built there hes very good

got 200kw at the wheels

48 ida 13b bridge!!! :icon_cheesygrin:
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Re: 13b PP 300HP?? 48IDA

PostTue Jul 13, 2010 12:57 pm

That mint for a bridgey bro! what rpm was that at?
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Re: 13b PP 300HP?? 48IDA

PostTue Jul 13, 2010 6:41 pm

ONEBADASSROTANG wrote:That mint for a bridgey bro! what rpm was that at?



8000 rpm

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Re: 13b PP 300HP?? 48IDA

PostWed Jul 28, 2010 6:57 pm

gonzo wrote:not saying greens cant build a good engine they hav built a few of my m8s pps but warren is a world renound engine builder used to work for mazda speed duz alot of work with us in the pro 7s and as you know mad mikes drift cars an all his pps hes had in his cars over the years wen warren workd for kiwi re
he offers alot of after sale servise and 12month warentys on his engine
in my opinion hes probly 1 of if not the best engine builders we hav in nz
but thats just my opinion


yea but how much hp do they put out i know of a 13bpp that cost 12-13g and was only 230hp that he built my standed batty block with ida made 210hp only cost me 2g to build and ive seen his cars at the drags wernt doing fast times a and the fact the green brothers have the record for the fastest na must mean sumthing not saying warren cant build a engine thow
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Re: 13b PP 300HP?? 48IDA

PostThu Jul 29, 2010 7:49 am

Yeah i seen a ppre 13b Bridge on trade me, $10,000 :icon_eek: faaaaark maybe it had the queen st racing gold dipping :icon_question:
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Re: 13b PP 300HP?? 48IDA

PostThu Nov 17, 2011 9:54 am

anyone remember the FURSTY wagon? my mate owned that for a glorious few months, thats been dynoed touching the 300hp mark. We called PPRE for some random info on it, and he said ALL the owners, after mike, have taken it to Kiwi RE/PPRE for servicing/tuning since its been running, a 13b pp, and it hasn't been rebuilt or stipped down at all! Talking about a pp thats been thrashed for years on end (lets be honest, its a skid car) and still doesn't use or leak any oil, starts like a dream, 7 years on! EPIC! haha

PPRE get my vote. Yes you do pay a bit, but you get the backup tech know-how of some very knowledgable lads, a reliable engine and a top quality build.
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Re: 13b PP 300HP?? 48IDA

PostSat Nov 19, 2011 9:38 am

Go to Green Brothers, you will not regret it. The white hatch is one of the fastest n/a rotaries in Australasia and that thing has been thrashed for 4 seasons without a rebuild. If you are wanting a high hp motor they will look after you. A lot of people can vouch for them in this country.

Wagon ran a 10.12 last night at its 3rd outing running an unopened S5 engine and reasonably small turbo. Bigger and better things in store for this beast.
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Re: 13b PP 300HP?? 48IDA

PostSat Nov 19, 2011 10:16 am

MY MOTTO FUCK A GLASS GIMME THE WHOLE DAMN BOTTLE

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